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🗓️ 25 January 2024
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This week, Paul talks to Mike Fave, critical care RN, about all things sugar & fructose. They share their thoughts on a recent podcast with Andrew Huberman and Alex Lustig, and why they disagree with certain points made about insulin, fruit juice, and fructose. 00:00:00 Podcast begins 00:04:00 Mike’s background 00:05:15 Diving into fructose 00:13:00 Thoughts on honey and other carb sources 00:27:30 Robert Lustig rebuttal: is fructose addictive? 00:37:40 Fructose & fiber 00:47:00 How fructose affects the mitochondria 00:51:00 Clarifying hyperglycemia vs. a postprandial hyperglycemia 00:56:17 Is insulin the bad guy? 01:12:20 How insulin relates to diabetes, obesity, and insulin resistance 01:23:30 Balancing protein, fat and carbohydrates 01:30:00 Is fructose making us fat? 01:46:00 Final thoughts Connect with Mike: Mikefave.com https://m.youtube.com/@MikeFaveSimplified References: Review article: fructose malabsorption and the bigger picture: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2006.03186.x A Relationship between Reduced Nucleus Accumbens Shell and Enhanced Lateral Hypothalamic Orexin Neuronal Activation in Long-Term Fructose Bingeing Behavior: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3988143/ A High-Fat Meal, or Intraperitoneal Administration of a Fat Emulsion, Increases Extracellular Dopamine in the Nucleus Accumbens: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4061790/ A Relationship between Reduced Nucleus Accumbens Shell and Enhanced Lateral Hypothalamic Orexin Neuronal Activation in Long-Term Fructose Bingeing Behavior: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3988143/ The regulation of glucose metabolism: implications and considerations for the assessment of glucose homeostasis in rodents: https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.00165.2014?rfr_dat=cr_pub++0pubmed&url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org Consumption of Raw Orange, 100% Fresh Orange Juice, and Nectar- Sweetened Orange Juice—Effects on Blood Glucose and Insulin Levels on Healthy Subjects: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6770506/ The Effects of Soluble Dietary Fibers on Glycemic Response: An Overview and Futures Perspectives: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9736284/#B37-foods-11-03934 The Effects of Soluble Dietary Fibers on Glycemic Response: An Overview and Futures Perspectives: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9736284/#B37-foods-11-03934 Formation of Fructose-Mediated Advanced Glycation End Products and Their Roles in Metabolic and Inflammatory Diseases: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227984/ Altered glycolytic and oxidative capacities of skeletal muscle contribute to insulin resistance in NIDDM: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9216960/ Glucagon and type 2 diabetes: the return of the alpha cell: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25344790/ Insulin, growth hormone and sport: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11431133/ Effect of Mild Physiologic Hyperglycemia on Insulin Secretion, Insulin Clearance, and Insulin Sensitivity in Healthy Glucose-Tolerant Subjects: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7881846/ Fructose metabolism in humans – what isotopic tracer studies tell us: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3533803/ Absorption capacity of fructose in healthy adults. Comparison with sucrose and its constituent monosaccharides: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1433856/ Review article: fructose malabsorption and the bigger picture: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2006.03186.x Toll-like receptor 4 is involved in the development of fructose-induced hepatic steatosis in mice: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19637282/ Fructose Promotes Leaky Gut, Endotoxemia and Liver Fibrosis through CYP2E1-Mediated Oxidative and Nitrative Stress: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6783321/
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0:00.0 | how we can use studies that don't replicate what actually happens to humans in nature eating food |
0:08.4 | and make wide-ranging claims about the toxicity of a substance that humans have been eating for hundreds of thousands of years |
0:15.9 | is a little bit baffling to me. But that seems to be what's going on here. |
0:19.7 | On this week's podcast, I had the pleasure of talking to my friend Mike Fave about all things |
0:25.2 | sugar and fructose and we head-on tackle a recent podcast between Andrew Huberman and Dr Robert Lustig from UCSF. |
0:36.0 | Mike is a critical care RN and has a keen interest in the biochemistry of energy |
0:41.7 | metabolism and how we thrive as humans. |
0:44.6 | So I wanted to have him on so that we could have a little back and forth and talk about some of the |
0:48.8 | things that were said in this podcast that didn't quite ring true for me and I think are misleading. |
0:55.2 | I believe that Dr. Lustig is a super intelligent human who really wants to do good in |
0:59.8 | the world and he's brought a lot of really good attention to the problems with processed sugar. |
1:06.4 | But I think some of his logic goes off base a little bit when he talks about insulin |
1:10.1 | as quote the bad guy, when he talks about fruit juice as being bad for humans despite |
1:15.2 | a lot of evidence that are interventional trials in humans that it's not bad for humans when he talks about |
1:20.3 | fructose basically in all sources being harmful for humans and it's only the fiber that |
1:24.8 | saves you from the fructose. There are a lot of parts of this podcast with |
1:28.9 | Andrew Huberman that kind of made me think that it deserves a little bit of a counterpoint type |
1:34.5 | interpretation. So enjoy this podcast with Mike Fave where we break down some of the |
1:38.3 | points Robert Lustig was making on this podcast. As I say in the |
1:41.8 | podcast, Dr Lustig is welcome to come on this podcast. As I say in the podcast, Dr Lustig is welcome to come on my |
1:44.3 | podcast for formal discussion. I love these sorts of things anytime and I always |
1:48.7 | respect the work that Andrew Huberman is doing as well. This is not meant to be |
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