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Let's go. Hey, it's Ella. I'm so glad we're about to hang out. When I'm sitting here behind the

mic all by my little lonesome, I am thinking of you. I think of Ella. I'm so glad we're about to hang out. When I'm sitting here behind the mic all by my little

lonesome, I am thinking of you. I think of this as a conversation between the two of us. So,

anyway, hey, thanks. Glad you're here. I'm about to share with you Dr. Gregory Scott Brown. And

his work speaks for itself. And this conversation is about a topic that I think is more

important than even I realized. And at first glance, it might sound like it's about self-care,

the way that we sort of see self-care portrayed in the media and on social media. And that is,

you know, take time to yourself and put an eye mask on. And I was reading Dr. Brown's book called The Self-Healing Mind.

He's a psychiatrist, by the way.

And he just has this very fresh take on mental health, even on mental illness, and the role that he sees what he calls evidence-based self-care playing in

preventative medicine. In other words, in guarding us against mental illness and mental health

challenges. And his approach uses a combination of conventional treatments, medication and

psychotherapy, with what he calls the

five pillars of self-care. And we get into those in the show, but they are breathing,

breathing mindfully, sleep, spirituality, nutrition, and movement. Now, this conversation is not

really a deep dive into those five pillars, but rather it's about why these matter in the first place.

As someone who has never struggled with clinical depression or clinical anxiety or clinical

mental illness, I think that I and many of you, I'm going to go out on a limb and say many of us

opt out of mental health care, if you will, we opt ourselves out of mental

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