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Let's go. Hey everyone, you're on air with Ella and I'm joined today by Caroline Duna. Hey Caroline, how are you? Hello, thank you for having me.

Caroline, will you tell everybody who you are and what you do? Sure. This is a question I ask myself all

of the time. Same. Who am I? And what do I do? Well, I describe myself as an author these days.

My first book is called The Fuck It Diet. And it's, it's all about healing our relationship with food. It's about why we're so messed up with food. Why we all feel like food addicts, why we all feel so out of control with food. It was born out of my own misery with food, my own obsession with dieting, my own beliefs that I was a

food addict. And then this crazy healing journey that I went on and all of these things I learned

that I could not believe were like secret knowledge that like people don't know and don't talk

about and don't understand the connection between restriction and guilt and binging and all of that.

And then my second

book just came out. It's called Tired as Fuck. It is a lot more memoir and storytelling than the first

book. I would say the fuckad diet is like humor self-help. It like it's funny. Some people call it like

anti-self-help, self-help. And then a second one is more about my relationship with food and dieting

and self-help and wellness culture. And really, I just have, I call it being cult susceptible.

Like I just can be, I can become so extreme about things. And that's what I, before I understood

that that's what I was doing. I was doing that with everything from when I was

a teenager up until pretty recently. So the second book is about burnout, but it's not just about

physical burnout that so many of us do experience. It's about how that the mental and emotional

pieces, kind of like the mode that we're operating in really feeds into the burnout and how important

kind of turning all that on its head and being aware of the way that we think about things,

the way that we operate, how important that is both in becoming burnt out and in kind of

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