And I think perhaps this is one of the reasons that the scriptures emphasize the actual consumption of the book.

Yeah, that's right.

That's the point that he takes the book and he eats it.

So he makes it the inner, it's not just an external reminder, but it ends up being something which then is integrated and then brought into the heart.

I mean, that makes so much

sense because that also explains in some ways what Christ is doing with the entirety of the law,

which is to say, you know, it's like, it's nothing of getting rid of the law, folks.

Or that I want you to eat the law. I want you to put it inside you. And once it's inside you,

then it's generative. But if it just remains outside you, then it could be dead letter and a bunch of rules that don't make any sense.

Yeah, yeah.

This is Jonathan Pejot. Welcome to the symbolic world. So hello, I am here with Sarah from Hamilton. Those who know my channel have seen him,

but also in the circles around symbolism and with Bible interpretation, Seraphim is Orthodox.

And we're finding more and more that our ways of thinking are kind of coming parallel to each other and joining in different ways.

So we thought we would today explore the role of the Bible, but not just the Bible, but the idea

of the book itself as an object that we see sometimes in icons with Christ holding a book

or the way that we have the book in liturgy, we process it, we kiss it, we do all these things

with the actual physical book.

And what's the relationship between that, the physical object, its meaning, its participation

in our liturgies and in our culture.

And so, Serafim, thanks for joining me.

Well, thanks for having me, Jonathan.

So what's your, first of all, let's start?

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