Everyone, thank you for the radio. I hope you are having an awesome,

doodly, tastic day. Today, I've got Tom with me. Tom. How are you doing, Ben?

I am relatively awesome, extremely under slept.

I'll kids still, like, but anyway, we'll move on. Hopefully today's

discussion is going to be very interesting to a lot of people because we're

going to talk about the government's e-well guide and how it kind of

fits into nutrition science, what we should be able to take away from it, how I

suppose connected to the science the guide is. So are we able to look at it and say,

yeah, eat exactly like that. And that's absolutely optimal because

normally the UK government saying, follow this guide to be really healthy.

And we want to be saying, okay, if we did that, will we be really healthy.

So I think it's a good, nutritional discussion. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I

think any, any discussion around nutrition would probably be well,

like, start it off by basing on these guidelines. I mean, to say, like,

there's a bit assigned behind them is like a dramatic understatement, like

anybody who's ever dealt into the evidence base that sits beneath the

government e-well guide will tell you that it's a bit of bedtime reading

to say the very least. You talk in thousands of references, like these

these guidelines have not been plucked out of anywhere. And so I think it's an

interesting discussion. And the reason that I suggested this for the show

is because I think in popular nutrition media of which I would consider us apart.

I think the e-well guide and other similar government guidelines are given a significant amount

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