Thank you so much for coming back on the show and for coming into my bedroom recording

studio. I love the interior bedroom. I love that we're in New York together and I love the

first time that we spoke was over Zoom. I know. Yes, beginning a pandemic. Yeah, beginning

a pandemic. I also, you're the first in-person recording I'm doing in a while. So you

my first virtual, I really think you were and now you're my first in-person. I love it

so many firsts. I mean, we're literally sitting at this table just staring at each other.

It feels like I feel like an intimate date. It does. But honestly, this is something I miss

so much and something I've really been struggling with as a podcast host is like, I'll finish

the episode and in my mind, I'm like, that could have been so much better on my end, never

in the guest end. I always think like that could have gone deeper, that could have been

more personable, but it's really fucking hard virtually. It is hard. It was hard. Like,

it's so hard. Do you feel that way as a fitness instructor now that so much is virtual?

I think for me, when I'm teaching, I really have to visualize my clients and members and

community there with me so that I'm bringing the same type of energy that I would teach

in real life. So I think it's just more of a energetically. It's just a harder job

when you're doing it live on the app versus in a classroom where everyone's there and

giving you the energy. Also, like when you're, well, I think it's

too full because when you're in person as a fitness instructor, I imagine I feel this

way when I speak virtually, this is the only thing I can compare it to. But when I speak

with sororities virtually over COVID, it's been so incredible the experience to be able

to do that. So it's awesome that you're able to virtually teach. But when they all have

their cameras on, which is what I would imagine is like you for a live class kind of, I

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