So I just started self-soothing and I worked out how many days I'd been in pain and it was something like 9,430.

So I sat in the car, looked in a mirror and just said, you'll get through this because you've done it 9,340 times before. Welcome to Like Mind, Like Body.

I'm your host, Laura Sego, and today we are bringing you a story of hope, recovery, and healing.

My guest, Nathan, has struggled with symptoms of back pain,

IBS, fatigue, and a laundry list of other ailments since the mid-90s. Today, he is going to share

more about his journey to recovery so far and give specific advice for those who are just starting out.

A couple of notes.

In this episode, you will hear Nathan mention the term TMS.

This is a term that was coined by Dr. John Sarno in the 1980s, and today, it's basically

used to describe chronic symptoms that are being perpetuated by the

conditioning of the nervous system. Another word you may here used to describe that same phenomenon

is neuroplastic pain. You will also hear a couple mentions of the curable app and the curable

Facebook community, which, as most of you know,

are a part of the same universe as this podcast. But if you are a new listener and you haven't

yet started on your Curable journey, you can learn everything you need to know at curable.com.

Let's get to the interview. Welcome to the show, Nathan. I am so excited

to have you here today. We have got a long story and long road to healing to get through.

So let's get started at the beginning. Tell me about

how your symptoms first began. Hi, Laura. It's nice to hear from you. 26 years ago, basically,

in 1995, like a classic slip disc. As a result, you know, I couldn't move. I was crawling out of bed to use the bathroom, etc.

The normal things that you hear about regularly.

Four weeks off work and laying in bed.

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