Welcome to Significant Others. I'm Liza Powell O'Brien. And right now, while we put together

Season 2, we're bringing you a series of conversations around our theme. We've talked about Royal

Spouses, Presidential Marriages, and now Dead People. Okay, a lot of the people we talk about

are long gone. But today, we're talking with humorist Mo Raqqa about his great podcast

Mobituaries and the Art of the Obit. Mo, it's so cool to get to talk to you like this.

Thank you so much for being here. Of course. Thank you for inviting me. It's very nice.

I think our podcasts have a lot of similarities in that we delve into people and events that

may not always have been remembered the way they should be. So first, for anyone who might not

already be familiar with your podcast, Mobituaries, could you give us a little overview?

Mobituaries is my way of paying tribute to people and things and concepts that didn't get

the send-off they deserve the first time or maybe any send-off at all. So they're not necessarily

obscure. This last season, John Denver was the premier episode of Season 3. Many of them are people

you haven't heard of. We did a whole episode on second place finishers, people who came in

second, like Larry Dobie, the second black man to play Major League Baseball only 11 weeks after

Jackie Robinson. And Liza, do your question about sort of how other people's significant others

may relate. I think in a way, those second place finishers are important because

they're the second place finishers are the ones that make the pioneers, the first place finishers

the start of something big rather than just a one-off or even an oddity.

I think that's such a great point.

Yeah, without the second and the third, then Jackie Robinson is still incredibly important,

but not in the same way. That's right. Didn't forge change so much as just

bucking a system. I'm wondering if there was, I know that you were partially inspired by

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