Brené with Roxane Gay and Debbie Millman on Love, Life, and the Pursuit of Creative Space

Unlocking Us with Brené Brown

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, Education, Relationships, Self-improvement

4.6 • 24.5K Ratings

🗓️ 10 February 2021

⏱️ 93 minutes

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Summary

A conversation with two unforgettable creators: Debbie Millman and Roxane Gay. Debbie is a designer, an author, an educator, and the host of the award-winning podcast Design Matters, and Roxane is a writer, an editor, a cultural critic, and the co-host of the podcast Hear to Slay. Roxane and Debbie are newlyweds, and we talk about their love story, creativity, and the power of a dinner party. Their words and art have been very influential in my life — talking to them about the ins and outs of ordinary life is, in itself, extraordinary. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi everyone I'm Brinay Brown and this is unlocking us.
0:03.2	You know some days I just think to myself,
0:09.1	do you really get to do this for a living?
0:11.8	Like do you really get to talk to all these incredible teachers
0:18.2	and creators and learn from them and learn about them?
0:21.6	And the answer is, oh, hell yes, this is what I get to do and I am so
0:25.2	grateful the best way to honor the fact that this is what I get to do is just be deeply
0:30.5	grateful for it every day and I am deeply grateful and I am so
0:35.2	excited about this conversation. Debbie Millman is a designer, author, educator, and the
0:42.1	host of the award-winning podcast Design Matters, which is one of the
0:45.8	first and longest running podcasts in the world. I am talking with Debbie about her work and I am
0:52.3	talking with Roxanne Gay. Roxanne is a writer,
0:57.0	editor, cultural critic, and co-host of the podcast Here to Slay.
1:01.5	Roxanne and Debbie are married and we are talking about love. We're talking
1:10.0	about their love story which involves everything from amazing
1:13.5	romcom moments to cringy first new love and waiting and not knowing when to push
1:19.2	and when to ask. We're talking about creativity and this kind of relentless need to make space and time to create and do what you love in your life and how saying yes to
1:35.0	to things that you don't want to do,
1:37.0	but you're afraid to say no to because you're afraid people
1:39.0	will either stop asking or that you'll disappoint people,
1:42.0	get in the way of a really wholehearted purpose-driven life.
1:48.5	We're talking about the power of a dinner party.
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