So we're here with Jean-At-Turtii, a longtime friend of the show, the co-author of States of

incarceration with Jared Chanahan and the co-editor of Treason to Whiteness is loyalty to humanity, the null of Nantiev

leader and a current Chicago resident by way of the Bronx.

Yes. Was in Chicago this week for the big protests, but unfortunately, or maybe fortunately

she couldn't attend.

What happened this week, Shauna?

Well, I was flying back from my brother's wedding.

First of all, hello everybody, so nice to be back on the show. Yeah, hi, always a pleasure to have you. I have to say right at the outset that we've done 16 hours of overtime

already this week and I got another 10 to 12 ahead of me tomorrow. We're finishing out this job.

So if I'm crispy and toasty and roasted and kind of washed today that's why

we won't let it affect the recording just another reason to abolish the wage labor system.

So that's right.

Less toasted and yeah, not have to work all this O-T.

But welcome, tell us.

So what's Chicago been like?

Probably pretty horrible. Yeah, it's been pretty crazy. So I arrived Monday,

which was the first day of the DNC insane, you know, display and it's been kind of crazy.

Chicago has been traffic jams everywhere.

Where the event was held is at the Bull Stadium, which everywhere. it's a bit out of the way. It's a very different venue from, you know, the 68

Convention which was held in Grand Park and Millennium Park right downtown.

So yeah, it was quite a spectacle from the

beginning, you know, as expected and you know just like four days and finally they left so Brandon Johnson has been

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