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Everyday Wellness with Cynthia Thurlow ™

Ep. 443 Dogmatism in Nutrition: When It Becomes an Identity with Nina Teicholz

Everyday Wellness with Cynthia Thurlow ™

Cynthia Thurlow

Alternative Health, Nutrition, Science, Life Sciences, Health & Fitness

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 26 February 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Today, I am thrilled to reconnect with my friend and colleague, Dr. Nina Teicholz, an investigative science journalist, author, nutritional thought leader, and a science writer I love to follow.  In our conversation today, Dr. Teicholz highlights the challenges of distinguishing real news from propaganda, and we examine how nutritional dogma shapes the identity of many individuals. We explore the history and consequences of our food guidelines, including the Diet-Heart Hypothesis and the Seven Countries Study, looking at the impact of cancel culture in science, the role of seed oils and processed carbohydrates, and the misconceptions about red and processed meats. She also shares her vision for the future, which includes much-needed shifts in nutritional guidelines to improve metabolic health.  This discussion with Nina Teicholz is eye-opening, so you may want to listen to it more than once. IN THIS EPISODE YOU WILL LEARN: Difficulties with finding real information and reliable advice on nutrition and health Why we need to be open-minded about dietary changes Biological truths that apply to all humans  How toxins and chronic stress impact our health Historical context of our dietary guidelines How the Seven Countries Study impacted the Diet-Heart hypothesis Long-term influence of the Diet-Heart hypothesis on our dietary guidelines Nina outlines the unintended consequences of the Diet-Heart hypothesis Challenges of changing the current diet guidelines How the notion that red and processed meats cause cancer came about Bio: Nina Teicholz Nina Teicholz, a science journalist, is the author of the New York Times bestseller The Big Fat Surprise, which upended the conventional wisdom on dietary fat–especially saturated fat—and spurred a new conversation about whether these fats in fact cause heart disease. Named a *Best Book* of the Year by The Economist, The Wall Street Journal, and Mother Jones, among others, it continues to be called a must-read for anyone seeking to understand the amazing story of how we came to believe fat is bad for health and what a better diet might look like. Nina is also the founder of the Nutrition Coalition, a non-profit working to ensure that government nutrition policy is transparent and evidence-based-work for which she’s been asked to testify before the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the Canadian Senate. Teicholz is a graduate of Stanford and Oxford Universities and previously served as associate director of the Center for Globalization and Sustainable Development at Columbia University. Dr. Teicholz lives in New York City with her husband and two sons. Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Nina Teicholz On Instagram X (@bigfatsurprise) Unsettled Science The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat, and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet Nutrition Coalition Dietary Guidelines Primer

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Everyday Wellness Podcast.

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I'm your host, nurse practitioner, Cynthia Thurlow.

0:07.5

This podcast is designed to educate, empower, and inspire you to achieve your health and wellness goals.

0:13.9

My goal and intent is to provide you with the best content and conversations from leaders in the health and wellness industry each week and

0:21.6

impact over a million lives.

0:28.9

Today I had the honor of reconnecting with friend and colleague Nina Ticolz.

0:34.5

She's an investigative science journalist, author and thought leader in nutrition,

0:39.1

and just about one of my favorite science writers to follow. Today we spoke about how we can

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attempt to differentiate from real news versus propaganda, dogmatism in nutrition,

0:50.1

and how for many it becomes their identity, vitamin and mineral deficiencies in our food

0:55.8

environment, the history of the food guidelines, which includes the diet heart hypothesis

1:00.0

and seven countries study, the impact of cancel culture in nutritional science, how to advocate

1:06.6

for yourself and your family, the consequences of the diet heart hypothesis specific to seed oil consumption and

1:13.9

processed carbohydrates.

1:15.6

Why red meats and processed meats do not cause colorectal cancer.

1:19.8

And lastly, Nina's wish list of things she hopes will be accomplished in the next few years,

1:24.9

including eliminating the saturated fat cap for nutritional

1:28.8

guidelines, increases in protein, and adjustments in guidelines specific to those with poor

1:34.4

metabolic health.

1:35.2

It is always an invaluable conversation with Nina and one that I know you will listen to at

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least once, if not twice.

1:44.4

What's interesting is in this kind of segues into the first question I was going to ask you,

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