Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman.

And I'm Mark Devere.

And welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

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And with us today, we have a special guest, Andy Johnson.

Hi, glad to be your special guest. You are very special and you are a guest. Thanks for being here.

Andy, for a long time, has been one of the pastors of this church. And Lord willing, not far in the future from when we're talking about this right now and maybe, you know,

long time present or even past when you're listening to this, Andy, we hope is going to be

the pastor of a church and English-speaking congregation to be established in somewhere else.

Turkey, in Turkey.

Yeah, Andy, you've gone through a number of transitions, kind of pastorally speaking.

You've gone from non-staff elder, lay elder, when you're working on the hill, to staff pastor, associate pastor, and now potentially finally to this position of lead or solo pastor.

If the world lockdown lets me leave, yes.

We'll see what happens.

We're not going to talk about this, but just kind of curious. How did you decide on that last

step to go overseas, to sell everything as it were and head over and take an adventurous

opportunity like pastoring? Did you say the country, Mark? I did. It's not like he's 26.

Yes.

I'm a few years past 26.

Maybe two times 26.

Well, like any good decision, I hope, it's like a really long decision.

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