Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman.

In fact, he is, and he's not here alone today.

He brought not only me, but another little friend.

Not a little friend.

He's a tall friend.

His name is Sam Amati.

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Sam, the question I have for you is, if I'm remembering right, you have a Ph.D. in

biblical theology.

I do.

That's correct.

For people who don't know what that means, it's just, it's a bunch. And here, I'm holding

in my hand one of these little church question books you've written, which is barely 37 pages

of text, actually 34 pages of text. What's a big PhD dude like you writing a little book like this?

Well, Mark, that's my dissertation. I don't know what you're talking about.

In fact, I'm sure that's not true, man.

Joseph does not even occur in here.

Your dissertation is coming out.

When?

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