I'm Jonathan Lehman

And with me is Mark Devere

Every time I get to one of these moments

I'm like, what's he going to do this time?

Lately, he's kind of consistently just on the stare at me.

Awkward.

Because that's what he does.

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Is this an act of civil disobedience, Mark, that you're offering right now?

For the listener, he's shaking his head, no.

Because that's what I want to talk about.

And to bring us into this conversation as well is our friend Bobby Jamison.

Hey, Jonathan.

I'm bringing us into the conversation.

Isn't that your job? No, yeah, yeah. Well, you're joining us for this conversation. Hey, Jonathan. I'm bringing us into the conversation. Isn't that your job?

No, yeah, yeah. Well, you're joining us for this conversation. Happy to join.

Are we doing this because we're recording this during days from the government

telling us to stay at home? Exactly. And we've got a lot of Christians wondering, like,

really? Just yesterday, you and I had two separate conversations with two separate groups of pastors,

and in both of those conversations independently, separately, one of them said, what about

civil disobedience when we think we should gather?

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