Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman.

And I'm Mark Devere.

Welcome to this episode of Nine Marks.

Pastures Talk.

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Which is why we have our guest, Kevin DeYoung, one of the best equipers of the church around today.

Amen. That's right.

Again and again, God has raised up this young man, now gray, and given us wonderful resources.

As a pastor, Kevin, Can I just say thank you?

Well, that's very kind of you. Yes, no longer young, nor was I ever very restless,

but still very reformed. And you're still D. Young. I am still D. Young. And you'll always be

DeYoung. It's true. Most common surname in the Netherlands.

How do you care well for your family so large, your church so large, and yet write so much?

I understand having a large family, and I understand having a large church, but the amount

of concentration it takes most people to write, how does that fit in with the large family

and the large church?

And the number of books he reads.

Kind of crazy.

I like to write. Do you think yourself by writing? Is that how you... family and the large church. And the number of books he reads. Kind of crazy. Yeah.

I like to write.

Do you think yourself by writing?

Is that how you get your thinking done?

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