Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.

Welcome to this episode of Nine Marks.

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And I have, to my right, David Helm, Chairman.

Thank you, brother, who is one of the co-hosts of Preachers Talk.

Correct. We're loving it.

And now we have you here in pastors talk.

Frightening.

Not at all.

Overdue, I would say.

Chairman of the Charles Simeon Trust, a pastor at Christ Church, Chicago, and author of Expositional Preaching.

Well, that was thanks to you, brother. The Lord's put us in the saddle on a few different things. I've been grateful for it.

And the reason I thought of you, the conversation topic today is the pastor and parenting.

And the reason I've thought of you is, I think, at our first meal together, you talked about,

I love having my kids all sitting around the table.

Love it.

And just staring at them.

Yeah, I had five of them, right?

And so they were growing up, there were times I'd say, now, I'm going to look you in the eye.

Look me in the eye.

And I would go around the table to make sure we could just make eye contact.

And I'd say, I don't know where you've been today.

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