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Episode 186 — Speech and Systems

Exponent

Ben Thompson / James Allworth

Technology

4.6832 Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2020

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Ben and James discuss the current protests and Facebook’s decision to not take down Trump tweets. Links Ben Thompson: Zero Trust Information — Stratechery Ben Thompson: Dust in the Light — Stratechery Ben Thompson: Zuckerberg’s Choice, Zuckerberg’s Power, Zuckerberg’s Conviction — Stratechery Principle Stacks — Exponent Hosts   Ben Thompson, @benthompson, Stratechery James Allworth, @jamesallworth, Harvard Business Review   Podcast Information   Feed iTunes SoundCloud Twitter Feedback

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0:00.0

Hi, James. Ben, how are you? Reticent. A few weeks ago, and I was about to publish

0:07.7

zero trust information that basically made the argument that you would think would not be a

0:13.8

controversial opinion, but that there might be some upside to social networks, you know,

0:18.2

in that you can surface information that might not be surfaced otherwise. And I actually told you before I published it that, oh, this is going to be

0:25.3

a controversial one. And you were like, why? Like, what's going to be controversial? And I ended up

0:31.4

being right. It was controversial. At one point, I had three journalists from a particular

0:36.1

newspaper attacking me at the same time on Twitter.

0:38.4

For literally not attacking, I didn't say anything about, anyhow, neither here nor there.

0:44.9

And so in that case, sort of I saw it coming, right?

0:47.8

So fast forward to this week, I wrote a couple of pieces about sort of this moment.

0:52.8

I mean, it's almost hard to know how to characterize

0:54.6

what's going on. We added the way the start of our podcast, so the helicopters that over

0:59.9

your house could move on. To be fair, I was out there protesting. With COVID and everything, I felt

1:04.9

like it was necessary to go out with suitable precautions. But yeah, I was out there a couple of hours

1:09.6

earlier. Yeah. and I felt that

1:11.7

I needed to write this piece. And this first one was about growing up in Madison, the sort of

1:16.1

idyllic sort of city, ranked the number one city to live in America. Remember that came out

1:19.9

when I was in high school. Everyone was very excited about it. And it turned out it's not necessarily

1:23.6

a great place to live if you are African-American and to understand the history of that

1:29.1

and things like redlining. And you can still see the scars from that today. And you can see it

1:35.8

very clearly in a place like Minneapolis where, you know, the murder of officially a homicide right now

1:40.9

of George Floyd and, you know, the racial covenants that were in place in Minneapolis,

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