Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman.

I'm Mark Devere.

And welcome to this episode of Nine Marks, Pastor Talk.

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We had a conversation released on February 8th with our present guest, Matt Rhodes.

Good to be here again.

Thank you for being here, Matt. And we talked about the first half of your book, Matt Rhodes. Good to be here again. Thank you for being here, Matt.

And we talked about the first half of your book, No Shortcut to Success, a Manifesto for Modern

Missions.

And we want to have a second conversation about the second half of your book.

Remind us what you've been doing for the last decade or two of your life, Matt,

for those who missed

the first conversation?

Yeah, I work on a church planting team in Northern Africa, and so we are working with a large

unreached Muslim tribe that spreads about 500 miles across Northern Africa.

And Matt, would you describe yourself as more of an ambassador or more of an apostle?

I definitely prefer the word ambassador. Apostle just has too many connotations that I'm not always

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