Episode 210: Marriage Edition Part 2 | A(nother) Conversation with Dr. Jennifer Bird

At Last She Said It

Cynthia Winward

Religion & Spirituality, Feminism, Motherhood, Ldswomen, Spirituality, Lds, Thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints, Mormonwomen, Religion, Marriage, Mormon, Faith

5 • 900 Ratings

🗓️ 4 February 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

In Part 2 of the conversation about biblical marriage, Susan and Cynthia ask Dr. Jennifer Bird about virginity, purity culture, and—of course!—biblical polygamy. Joseph Smith drew on polygamy in the Hebrew Bible to justify instituting the practice in early Mormonism, teaching that sometimes God not only condoned but actually mandated it. So what does a feminist biblical scholar say about it?

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0:00.0	Hello, I'm Susan Hinkley.
0:05.0	And I am Cynthia Winward.
0:08.0	And this is at last she said it. We are women of faith discussing complicated things.
0:13.0	And the title of today's episode is, does that scripture mean what you think it means?
0:18.0	Marriage Edition, another conversation with Dr. Jennifer Bird. Can you believe it?
0:24.0	We're back for part two because this is the juicy part. Things are about to get real, folks.
0:30.6	So keep listening. All right. Well, let's go ahead and roll the rest of our conversation with Dr. Bird.
0:40.9	Well, let's go ahead and roll the rest of our conversation with Dr. Bird. Well, Jennifer, can we talk about virgins and virginity for a minute? Because when I read this section in your book, I thought, this is why we're also screwed up around sex.
0:52.6	Yeah. It started here.
0:54.7	Why did you read that made you say that?
0:56.5	Do you remember specifically or generally what?
0:59.7	It's just when you laid out what those words, like what we're actually talking about
1:05.3	in passages where those words are used in the Bible.
1:11.9	It was kind of staggering to me that so much has been made of something
1:16.2	that really is just a word talking about a woman having sex with someone.
1:22.1	That's right.
1:22.8	That's right.
1:23.8	So can you just say a little bit more about those words and how they came to be...
1:28.3	Are you trying to keep it G-rated, Susan?
1:30.8	Well, yes.
1:31.7	Yes, I'm going to let, look, I'm going to let Jennifer, this is why we hired her to say the hard words, right?
1:36.4	So I'm going to let her say the things.
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