Episode 211: Who's the Decider? | A Conversation with Natalie Brown

At Last She Said It

Cynthia Winward

Religion & Spirituality, Feminism, Motherhood, Ldswomen, Spirituality, Lds, Thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints, Mormonwomen, Religion, Marriage, Mormon, Faith

5 • 900 Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

When asked about the possibility of priesthood ordination for women in 1998, Pres. Gordon B. Hinckley famously told Larry King, “It would take another revelation to bring that about. I don’t anticipate it.” Big changes have come following revelations in LDS history, but must prophetic revelation always precede change? Even on a local level, many leaders are hesitant to innovate in small ways. Natalie Brown posits that “not every small experiment should require prophetic sign off.” In Episode 211, she joins Cynthia and Susan for a conversation about how change happens—or doesn’t—at church. Do debate and discussion have a place, and if so, whose opinions should be considered? And what about transparency in the decision-making process?

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0:00.0	There's this question about why did this practice originate?
0:09.0	Was it a result of revelation?
0:12.0	Was it someone just deciding this was an efficient thing to do at the moment?
0:16.0	And was it intended to last forever?
0:19.0	We just have a lack of clarity. So much lack of clarity. Yeah.
0:27.4	Hi, I'm Susan Hinkley. And I am Cynthia Winward. And this is at last she said it. We are women of
0:34.4	faith discussing complicated things. And the title of today's episode is, Who's the Decider?
0:40.8	A conversation with Natalie Brown.
0:43.5	Hi, Natalie.
0:44.8	Hi, thank you for having me on the show.
0:47.5	We are excited to have you today.
0:49.9	We are.
0:50.6	We're going to be having a really interesting conversation today.
0:53.3	We went with Who's the Decider because we were thinking about how tricky it is in a church where I'm
1:02.1	going to use quotes here, the Lord is at the helm, how hard it can be to untangle where
1:10.0	revelation is really necessary to accomplish things in the
1:14.7	church, where the leaders themselves just make decisions and kind of who's in charge. So that's
1:23.9	what our conversation is going to be about today. And I want to first of all give you a chance to introduce yourself, Natalie, and to tell us a little bit about why you're the one that we wanted to join us for this conversation.
1:37.0	So give us a little snapshot, anything that would give context to our conversation and that what you'd like our listeners to know about you.
1:43.6	And then also
1:44.2	how it is that you come to be having this conversation with us.
1:49.1	Excellent.
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