Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.

And this is Mark Devere.

Welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

Nine Marks exist to help pastors, build healthy churches.

And help those churches get better and better.

Amen.

That's what we've been trying to do for some years in these informal conversations. And the conversation is going to be a little more informal

than normal because I'm leading it today. Yes, sir. Lord willing. Jonathan, you have, as you have so

long done in your life, long pattern of falling in a tub of butter. It's an old country

expression.

What that means is you're a man who knows good fortune.

Have you heard that expression in Alberta?

He's from the Dominican Republic.

Wow, that was just kind of...

So let me just be clear.

Throwing DR into the bus.

No, no, it's just a different language.

Okay, now listen, we have just gotten the pre-pub copies from Crossway of your new book,

Authority, how godly rule protects the vulnerable, strengthens communities, and promotes

human flourishing. And I have to say, this is the most attractive, handsome cover of any

nine marks publication ever. Aren't we to not judge a book by its cover yeah and we'll

get to the stuff inside the cover also what i like they did a great job i cross the texture the feel

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