Episode 31: On Race (Part 1)

Pastors Talk - A podcast by 9Marks

9Marks

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 698 Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2017

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Mark Dever chats with Jonathan Leeman about America's racial history, and how Christians should learn from brothers and sisters who aren't like them.

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman.
0:07.2	And I'm Mark Devere.
0:08.2	And welcome to this episode of the Nine Marks Pastors Talk.
0:12.1	Nine Marks exist to equip church leaders with a biblical vision and practical resources for building healthy churches.
0:17.9	Learn more at nine marks.org.
0:24.8	Okay. healthy churches. Learn more at 9marks.org. I think you forgot to say that last time, which is Alberto was on you and therefore
0:28.4	you came out with it this time.
0:30.2	This time I was staring at my script.
0:32.0	Yeah.
0:32.2	I wanted to get it right.
0:34.2	All right.
0:35.5	Mark, I want to raise the topic with you today of race, ethnicity.
0:41.5	Cards on the table.
0:42.6	I've been apprehensive to raise it, but a number of brothers have said, Jonathan,
0:46.3	this is an important thing to talk about.
0:47.6	Well, and John, that's funny.
0:48.6	You've been apprehensive because I've known you for 20, 25 years.
0:52.2	And this has been a particular concern for you for years.
0:55.6	Yeah. I mean, do you remember the, the conversations you and Thabidi had like 18, 18 years ago?
1:01.4	Yeah, sure. When you were, you were just dogged to try to understand Thibidi's experience.
1:08.4	And you were kind and you were pushy and you weren't put off by Thabidi's experience. And you were kind and you were pushy and you weren't put off by Thabidi's answers sometimes.
1:17.5	And it was just, it was interesting to watch both you because I knew and loved you both.
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