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Weird Studies

Episode 7: The Unspeakable Mystery at the Heart of Boxing

Weird Studies

Phil Ford and J. F. Martel

Society & Culture, Arts, Philosophy

4.8688 Ratings

🗓️ 28 March 2018

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

For as long as they've been pounding the crap out of each other for good reasons, humans have also been pounding the crap out of each other for fun. Everywhere, in ever age, elaborate systems, rituals, and traditions have arisen to ring in the practice of violence and thereby offer the rough beast that lurks in every soul a chance to come out for a stretch in the sun. In this episode, Phil and JF delve into one of the most scandalous affairs of all: the illicit dalliance of Aphrodite and Ares, beauty and violence. WORKS & IDEAS DISCUSSED IN THIS EPISODE: Ernest Hemingway, Death in the Afternoon James Hillman, A Terrible Love of War Homer, The Odyssey Joyce Carol Oates, On Boxing La fosse aux tigres (documentary directed by Jason Brennan and JF Martel; Nish Media) Walter Benjamin, The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction Richard Strauss's opera Salome Gur Hirshberg, "Burke, Kant, and the Sublime" Gilles Deleuze, The Logic of Sense Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Specter Vision Radio

0:03.3

Welcome to Weird Studies, an art and philosophy podcast with hosts Phil Ford and J.F. Martel.

0:21.8

For more episodes and to support the podcast, go to Weird Studies.com. Last time we were talking, we were talking about games and the particular game we were talking about as Dungeons and Dragons, or more generally, I guess you call them tabletop games.

1:00.0

Role-playing games?

1:02.0

Tabletop role-playing games, I guess, we were talking about.

1:05.0

And today we're talking about a rather different kind of game, which is the games of violence, blood sports.

1:14.6

Those would include boxing, mixed martial arts, and any of its component arts,

1:20.6

Taekwondo, Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, etc. Basically combat sports, and particularly those that lie closer to actual combat.

1:30.7

In other words, where participation in organized competition of these games results in injury,

1:39.1

not as a happenstance, as an unwanted byproduct, but as kind of the point of the game.

1:46.1

That's kind of what I mean by blood sports.

1:48.2

And I'm not talking about things like cockfighting or dog fighting, like animal blood sports,

1:54.3

which maybe this is some kind of philosophical or logical inconsistency on my part,

2:00.4

but to me, those are an entirely different

2:03.0

order of things. I mean, I find them utterly repulsive, because my feeling is that animals

2:09.9

don't consent to be in these fights, whereas human beings do. And maybe that's a thin rationalization for why I absolutely detest this kind of spectacle

2:21.5

of brutality to animals, whereas I don't detest that same spectacle when it's applied

2:27.1

to human beings.

2:28.4

Maybe on some level that doesn't make sense.

2:30.9

But I'm just going to draw a line in the sand right now and say that all of that Hemingway shit about the nobility and tragedy of the bullfight

2:41.8

get the fuck out of my face with that shit I just I got no you don't like that

2:47.3

I just got no patience for that and like I I said, I'm probably inconsistent on that point.

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