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Episode 778: Caysen Crum, Gay Latter-day Saint, Age 24, Self-Love/Acceptance

Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler

Richard Ostler

Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 839 Ratings

🗓️ 17 September 2024

⏱️ 101 minutes

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Summary

**This episode talks about suicide. If you are suicidal, please call/text/chat 988** My friend Caysen Crum (New Hampshire RM, Southern Utah University Grad, HXP Guide, Further Physician, Minersville Utah) joins us to share his story of doing everything he could to be “Mr. perfect and straight” (including serving a perfectly obedient mission, dating women, excelling at sports/academics) and how that eventually led to depression and suicidal ideation. Caysen talks of his love for everyone else—but how he had no love for himself. Caysen talks about hitting rock bottom with his decision to end his life and how a grandmother changed that decision. Caysen then talks about therapy (super helpful to end his internalized homophobia) and then powerful spiritual experiences while in Africa on an HXP trip including deep confirmation that God made Caysen gay—and that is a good thing allowing Caysen life mission of blessing others to be possible. Caysen also talks about how shame has no place in our lives and how it is eliminated “by the Atonement of Jesus Christ” and good therapy. Cayson talks about helpful people along the way (his YSA Bishop, therapist, camp counselor and others). It is hard to put into words how powerful Caysen’s story is—how he teaches of loving Heavenly Parents and our role of the Savior—and his journey to accept being gay. I was brought to tears a few times by the spiritual maturity, doctrinal insights. and goodness of Caysen. Our world and church are better off with people like Caysen part of it. If you are figuring out your sexual orientation/gender identity, need more Jesus/hope in your life, or want to better support queer Latter-day Saints, please listen to Caysen’s powerful story. You are a good man, Caysen. Thank you for being on the podcast. Links: Caysen’s Lift and Love story on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/C_QlDVIPkdJ/?igsh=MXJ3cTVjdjJvdnlkNQ%3D%3D Cayson’s IG: @caysencrum Facebook Group to Support LGBTQ Latter-day Saints: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1433556613672143

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0:00.0

Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love hosted by Richard Osler.

0:10.1

My guest on today's podcast is Kaysen Krum.

0:13.9

Welcome to the podcast, Kaysen.

0:15.5

Thanks for having me.

0:17.1

Kaysen's in our home doing this podcast in person, and I became aware of Kaysam as I read a

0:23.1

Lifton love story in August of 2024. Really brave story and I just invited Kaysen to share the

0:30.7

story on the podcast. Those Lifton love stories are terrific. Thank you, Autumn McAlpin, for your

0:36.9

work and everybody's work to do those.

0:40.4

This is just a format that allows that story to go a little bit deeper. So some of you have

0:46.0

read that story. Some of you haven't. We'll link to it in the show notes, but this is a chance

0:49.7

for Kaysen to share his story. Parts of that story that brought me to tears.

0:55.5

A little bit about Kaysen.

0:57.3

Kaysen, C-A-Y-S-E-N.

1:00.2

He is 24.

1:01.8

He is graduated from S-U-U.

1:04.2

That's a college in Cedar City, Utah, an exercise psychology,

1:08.8

exercise science with a minor in chemistry.

1:12.4

He's currently working in Utah County in cardiac rehab.

1:16.5

I'm trying to stay out of Kaysen's world.

1:20.3

As I'm in that age group now, he started to have cardio, cardio problems.

1:24.1

So I'm trying to stay away from his rehab unit, but grateful for what he does.

1:30.2

He's been connected to HXP, terrific organization. We've had some of those leaders on the podcast.

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