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🗓️ 23 March 2025
⏱️ 64 minutes
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0:00.0 | Welcome listeners to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love hosted by Richard Osler. |
0:09.7 | My guest on today's podcast is an LDS mother of three LGBTQ kids. |
0:16.6 | Welcome to the podcast, Barbara Higginbotham. |
0:19.5 | I'm happy to be here. |
0:21.6 | I got to meet Barbara about a week ago at North Star. |
0:26.6 | It was great to visit with her and feel her good heart. |
0:29.6 | Just a little bit about Barbara, and she'll go through this. |
0:33.6 | She is a return missionary from the Dominican Republic. |
0:36.6 | She is about my age, I think a few years younger in her early 60s. |
0:41.3 | Her and her husband recently returned as missionaries in Farmington, New Mexico. |
0:47.1 | He returned in January 2024. |
0:50.1 | They live in Utah County. |
0:52.7 | And they have five living kids. |
0:54.5 | They also lost twins at about 20, 21 weeks. |
0:58.3 | And that will come up during the podcast. |
1:00.9 | Barbara and her husbands, two of their kiddos have been on the podcast, Ben, who Barbara |
1:06.9 | will talk about in the podcast is their non-binary child. |
1:10.2 | And Ben, who goes mostly by they, them, I believe, was on episode 789 and did do terrific |
1:16.9 | jobs. |
1:17.5 | So Barbara's going to tell more of the story from a parent's perspective. |
1:22.5 | And also, she has a gay son, Matt, who just got home from his mission. |
1:28.3 | He was on episode 812, and I got to meet Matt at North Star. |
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