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He has come into office really seeking revenge. I think that's a single thing that has been

driving him,

that he is just as radical as many people feared in terms of his assault on the American system,

and that he's much, much better prepared to accomplish what he wants to do. And he's actually

added a few things like, you know, taking over Padamon Greenland that we hadn't anticipated.

So I'm really expecting the worst in many ways.

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

My guest today is Francis Fukuyama. Frank is a senior fellow at the Freeman Spokely

Institute for International Studies at Stanford University. He is of course the author of a number

of very influential books in political science, including the origins of political order and

political order and political decay.

He is the founding editor of American Purpose and he has the Frankly Fukuyama blog,

both of which you can read through persuasion.

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please log into your persuasion account, go to the settings page and make sure you toggle on the button for Frank de Fukuyama and if you like for American purpose.

Frank is back on the podcast to make sense of the first week of the Trump administration. We had a very interesting conversation about the importance of an impersonal civil service

and what this ball system of the 19th century looks like, why it is that the many rules

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