Hey and welcome to The Upgrade, the podcast from the team at Lifehacker, where we help you improve your life one week at a time.

I'm Jordan Calhoun, editor-in-chief of LifeHacker.

And I'm Megan Walbert, LifeHackers Managing Editor.

And today, Megan, we're learning how to grow the hell up.

Yes, this episode is a little more geared toward our younger listeners,

but I think there are going to be some good gems in here for anyone

who is already calling themselves an adult.

Absolutely. And helping us learn how to

be more of an adult is writer Julie Littcott Haynes. What we want to try to convey is, look,

it is a wide open landscape of possibility. And it's all about trying to figure yourself out. So

dig deep and ask yourself, what would I really like to do? What am I interested in? You know,

being curious about yourself and how you want to show up in the world. Yes, do the deep digging

and also start anywhere. Julie is a New York Times bestselling author and former Stanford Dean.

She's also written several books, including How to Raise an Adult and Real American A Memoir.

Julie's latest book is called Your Turn, How to Be an Adult and Real American A Memoir. Julie's latest book is called

Your Turn, How to Be an Adult, which is full of incredible advice for young people who are

starting out in the world. And for people who've already been out in the world for some time.

Megan, is there a time that you realized that you were an adult? Like, was there a tipping point

for you or an event? There is a very specific moment that stands out in my memory Like, was there a tipping point for you or an event?

There is a very specific moment that stands out in my memory. You know, a lot of new parents will talk about how they can't believe that the hospital is letting them walk out with the baby.

But for me, I was fine walking out of the hospital. My moment was the first time I dropped

him off at daycare and somebody said to

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