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The Upgrade by Lifehacker

How to Be More Hopeful, With Anne Lamott

The Upgrade by Lifehacker

Lifehacker

Tech News, News, How To, Education, Self-improvement

4.6688 Ratings

🗓️ 22 February 2021

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

This week we're speaking with the ever-inspiring Anne Lamott—progressive political activist, writer, and bestselling author of such books as Bird by BirdTraveling Mercies, and Operating Instructions. Anne's latest book is called Dusk, Night, Dawn: On Revival and Courage, and she joins us this week to talk about how we can find hope, even in the most challenging times.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to The Upgrade, the podcast and the team at LifeHacker, where we help you improve your life one week at a time.

0:19.1

I'm Alice Bradley, editor-in-chief of LifeHacker.

0:22.1

And I'm Jordan Calhoun, LifeHacker's deputy editor.

0:25.0

And today we have a very special guest, someone whose work has definitely affected me throughout my life.

0:30.2

And that person is Anne Lamont.

0:32.9

Yeah, and from what I understand, she is a two-time guest from the upgrade, right?

0:36.5

She was with us back before my time in 2018. That is right. She joined us back in 2018 when we so innocently thought

0:42.8

the world was on fire and it couldn't possibly get any worse. But today, she's back and she's

0:48.6

here to help us find ways to find more hope during this challenging time. My old pastor had a sermon

0:53.7

about how you can trap bees

0:56.2

in the bottom of a mason jar with no lid on

0:59.1

because they don't look up.

1:00.8

You know, they just kind of walk around on the floor

1:02.7

of the mason jar, bumping, you know,

1:04.4

bitterly bumping into the glass walls of the jar

1:07.4

because they don't look up.

1:09.1

So I walk outside and I look up. Anne is the author of several

1:12.8

bestselling novels and nonfiction books, including Bird by Bird, Operating Instructions, Hard Laughter,

1:18.7

and All New People. Now Anne has a new book out called Dust Night Dawn on Revival and Courage.

1:25.1

So Jordan, I assume you know Anne Lamont through bird by bird. Is that

1:29.1

correct? Absolutely. I love bird by bird. That was my introduction to Anne Lamont. And I think

1:37.0

that's one of those books that it's impossible to read and not just instantly fall in love with

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