Hello and welcome to The Upgrade, the podcast from the team of LifeHacker, where we help you improve your life one week at a time.

I'm Alice Bradley, editor-in-chief of LifeHacker.

And I'm Jordan Calhoun, LifeHackers Deputy Editor.

Jordan, today we are learning how to strategically utilize our downtime.

That's right. We are. And on that topic, Alice, what if I just take the rest of the pandemic off?

Would that be doable? I need some revival time.

I need some time to really refresh.

Like once the pandemic is over, I can come back to work.

I think that's a fair deal.

Let's at least finish this episode.

What do you say?

Okay.

All right, let's do that.

Let's do that.

Okay. Here today to talk with us about making the most of non-work time are writers Max Frenzel and John Fitch. But what we want to add to the picture is also encourage people to think about their rest ethic. And especially right now, this is more important than ever where just boundaries are disappearing, people are working

from home. So you need to actually be very, very conscious of your time off.

Max and John are authors of the book Time Off, a practical guide to building your rest ethic

and finding success without the stress, a project in which they both explore the ways that

they take time off in order to improve creativity and productivity,

and they found some pretty compelling research on the topic.

So, Jordan, what do you like when it's time to unwind?

Are you good at stepping away from your computer or not so much?

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