From New York Times, I'm Michael Bobarrow.

This is the Daily.

After engaging in a campaign of retribution against his enemies within the federal government,

President Trump is now turning to those outside

of it. Today, my colleague, Mike Schmidt, on what that retribution has looked like for a single

law firm and the impact that it's had on the entire legal profession.

It's Tuesday, March 18th.

Mike, welcome back to the studio. Thank you for being here.

It's good to be back.

I want to give a little bit of context for this conversation.

Before Trump was elected, the daily ran a series of episodes about what a second Trump term might look like on a range of fronts.

And you guided us through how Trump might use the powers of the federal government to turn his threats of retribution into action. And your big finding was that we

didn't have to look far to try to understand what retribution might look like in practice,

because Trump had already done it in his first term more than we had

actually realized. And you documented that. And you said that it would only escalate if he were

given a second term. And I think it's fair to say, so far, that you were right. Michael telling me

I'm right. You were right. Frame it.

Yeah, look, I was concentrated on how he was going to use the criminal powers of the Justice Department to go after his enemies.

But he has actually been more creative and audacious and faster, frankly, than I ever thought he'd be.

At retribution?

Correct.

And what in your mind is the best example of this unexpected, inventive retribution?

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