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Trump’s Showdown With the Courts

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

President Trump’s showdown with the courts reached a new milestone on Tuesday, when he called for a federal judge to be impeached and the chief justice of the Supreme Court publicly scolded the president in response. Luke Broadwater, who covers the White House for The Times, discusses the deportation case at the center of the confrontation — and whether the constitutional crisis that many have feared has now arrived.

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams.

0:04.0

This is the Daily.

0:11.8

Yesterday, the showdown between President Trump and the courts reached a new milestone

0:17.1

when Trump called for a federal judge to be impeached.

0:21.0

And in response, the chief justice of the Supreme Court publicly scolded the president for

0:26.5

attacking a member of the bench.

0:29.4

Today, I spoke to my colleague, Luke Broadwater, about the deportation case at the center

0:35.2

of the showdown and whether the constitutional crisis that many have feared is now actually here.

0:44.1

It's Wednesday, March 19th.

0:50.1

Luke, hi. Thank you so much for being here.

0:52.5

Hi. Thanks for having me.

0:54.3

So, Luke, every day since Trump came into office, it has really felt like the new administration has done something to make people who know about the law and the Constitution really nervous that we are headed towards some kind of a crisis, that there's going to be some kind of a showdown between the president and the courts, unlike anything we've ever seen before.

1:14.4

But so far, largely, all of those fears, all of that conjecture has been pretty theoretical,

1:20.3

except in the last few days.

1:22.2

In the last few days, it feels like something has changed and maybe the crisis has actually arrived.

1:31.3

You're right.

1:32.2

There's been a lot of concern since the start of the Trump administration about what would happen when or if the president began to disregard judicial rulings.

1:56.9

And I would say this weekend was the starkest example to date of the president pushing the boundaries against the federal judiciary. And we saw the executive branch battling it out in court with the judiciary. And it's really

2:06.2

reached a fever pitch here in Washington. And it all concerns the deportation of about 200 migrants

2:13.8

from Venezuela to El Salvador. Okay, so I want to walk through how we got to this point.

2:19.3

So tell us the basics of this deportation case that you just mentioned that have led us to this

2:24.0

moment. Well, for a long time, the Trump administration has wanted to deport people from the country

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