My name is Mark Vesente. I'm a director, producer, writer, and troublemaker. I'm most known as the director of the film What the Bleep Do We Know, and as one of the next-team whistleblowers featured in the HBO series, Aval. Let's just say, I know a thing or two about cults. I don't consider myself a cult expert, but I'm definitely an expert in being screwed over, waking up, and

knowing how to spot them.

And let me tell you, they're everywhere.

My mission is to help people see patterns of abuse across multiple contexts.

From personal to family, to group, to societal.

It's all the same pattern at every scale.

As you'll hear, I have a pretty salty approach to most things.

So there might be some blasphemy.

One or two sacred cows might get knocked over, and there'll likely be some foul language.

You never quite know what you're going to get, because it really does depend on what the

fuck is on my mind.

Hello, everybody.

Welcome back. Before I get started on the dream, I want to just remind you wherever you listen to or watch this podcast, please like, subscribe, follow. And also,

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what I'm doing. Before I get into the dream, I do want to tell you, I've had dreams like this

a number of times. I dream that I'm back in the cult. Now, it's never that I'm arguing with Renary or fighting with him.

It's like that's kind of almost done in a weird way. It's almost like, it's like, fuck you.

I don't care about you anymore. But let me, well, let me tell you the dream. So I am, this was two days

ago. I'm walking into an auditorium of some kind.

It's like a theater maybe.

I have some gear with me.

I have a drone.

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