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The Daily

Is More Violence Coming?

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2021

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

After the attack on the Capitol, social media platforms sprang into action, deleting the accounts of agitators. Without a central place to congregate, groups have splintered off into other, darker corners of the internet. That could complicate the efforts of law enforcement to track their plans. We ask whether the crackdown on social media has reduced the risk of violence — or just made it harder to prevent. Guest: Sheera Frenkel, a cybersecurity reporter for The New York Times. For an exclusive look at how the biggest stories on our show come together, subscribe to our newsletter. You can read the latest edition here. Background reading: In the days since rioters stormed Capitol Hill, fringe groups like armed militias, QAnon conspiracy theorists and far-right supporters of President Trump have vowed to continue their fight in hundreds of conversations on a range of internet platforms. Amazon, Apple and Google have cut off Parler, all but killing the service just as many conservatives were seeking alternatives to Facebook and Twitter. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily

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0:00.0

From New York Times, I'm Michael Babaro. This is Adali.

0:10.7

Today, over the past few days, social media companies have raised to remove the president

0:16.8

and those who organized the attack on the Capitol from their platforms.

0:21.7

My colleague, Shira Frankl, on whether that will diminish the chance of violence

0:27.0

or make it harder to prevent.

0:32.7

It's Wednesday, January 13th.

0:40.2

Shira, last time that we talked to you, you told us about how supporters of President Trump were

0:45.5

preparing and planning online in very noble ways for what became a violent attack on the Capitol

0:53.5

on January 6th. I want to ask you what's happened to those same people in the days since,

1:00.1

and whether we now feel that the risk of future violence is higher or lower than before.

1:08.0

So the same people that took part in those riots on January 6th are now trying to find their

1:14.7

footing in this new world. What happens when a group of people do what really they thought was

1:20.0

impossible and breach the halls of Congress, make it inside, hold court there for hours,

1:25.9

and then leave many of them to post their videos and photographs online. They want to build on

1:32.3

that momentum and they're currently trying to figure out what the best way is to grow their cause,

1:37.2

which is really to see Donald Trump serve another term in office, to see in their minds the

1:42.0

rightful president assume control of the government.

1:44.9

So what does that actually look like in the wake of a physical attack that as you said was in its

1:50.7

own terrifying way successful but has resulted in a tremendous online crackdown.

1:57.9

So in the hours after the siege, you see a lot of these guys going on Twitter and Facebook and

2:03.4

they're posting celebratory images showing how awesome they look as the speaker of the house

2:08.8

to roaming the halls of Congress and they're they're clearly really excited about what they've done.

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