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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shops, the Spectators' Daily Politics podcast. I'm

Elizabeth Hargman and this is the Sunday Roundup. President Biden's visit to Poland

yesterday has caused more than a few ripples in the international community. Referring

to Vladimir Putin, Biden declared that this man cannot remain in power. This morning, Sophie

Ray would spoke to the Education Secretary and the Deams Aharwi about these remarks,

asking if they represented a wider escalation of the war in Ukraine.

I want to ask you about Ukraine and Russia and President Biden yesterday saying that Vladimir

Putin, this man cannot remain in power. Do we need regime change for this water end?

That's up to the Russian people and it is only the Russian people that can make that decision.

I suspect most of them are pretty fed up with Putin and his cronies and the illegal

war. There are clearly evidence of war crimes being committed in the Ukraine targeting civilian

areas. The deputy prime minister, Dominic Ra, was working with the international criminal

court. So was the American president of wrong to say it?

Well, no, I think what the American president as the White House has made clear was talking about

is that Putin's illegal invasion has to end. And ultimately, it is up to the Russian people.

I think this has been a huge miscalculation. Not only is he killing innocent people in the Ukraine,

but he has damaged the Russian people who many of which have relative to friends who are Ukrainian

and their lives and livelihoods have been blighted. There is a huge movement in Russia,

a stop-the-war movement. And I suspect it will be the Russian people who make that decision.

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