Yay, you're here. I'm Lisa Whittle and welcome to the Jesus Over Everything interview show,

affectionately known as Joe's Friday Friend, where everyone I sit down and talk with is either

an old or a new friend of mine. This friend today, a friend that I go way back with, is a generous friend, a New York

Times best-selling author friend.

I love getting to say that.

And a fun friend, you might have guessed it.

Author of That Sounds Fun and podcast hosts of the same, Annie F. Downs.

I'm just going to tell you, you will love this conversation.

You really will. Annie and I talk about so many things, what she's loving the most right now,

out of all the things that she does, something she's tried that didn't work, generosity,

and why it's more fun, celebrating, simplifying, and of course, her new book,

that sounds fun. This didn't feel like an interview at all because it really wasn't. It was a conversation

with two long-held real friends. I love you, Annie. It's so fun to air this show on Joe.

Okay, so you weren't my first aired interview with Joe. After we rebranded, this became the Jesus Over Everything show and I started

doing interviews, but you were my very first interview. I didn't remember that. Okay. Well,

here's the thing. That day, I was sick. You were super gracious, of course, but Annie, and please don't

try to make me feel better because I know you're going to try to make me feel better. I didn't have a clue what I was doing because here's the thing

with interviewing. It's completely different than doing a solo show. And I've been doing all these

solo shows for a while. Then I started pivoting to interviewing people and it's totally different.

I mean, interviewing is different, right? Oh, it's totally different. I mean, interviewing is different, right? Oh, it's totally different.

I mean, yeah, yeah, you have to think about a hundred other things. But I don't remember,

I'm not trying to make you feel better. I don't remember thinking that you weren't good at us talking,

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