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We have to make sure that those at the federal level are able to provide the kind of assistance

to those at the local level to truly help provide the kind of assistance to those at the local

level to truly help get ahead of these sorts of threats and then heaven forbid it happens,

but react fast, mitigate the damage and recover as quickly as possible.

It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Daniel Beiman, the foreign policy editor of Lawfare. And I'm here with Michael Someyer, who was the Senior Department of Defense Official for all aspects of cyber policy and will soon be coming to my program at Georgetown University to join me as a fellow professor.

When you're in the national security space by default to me, it seems like it's an

international matter that can be very much improved and you can gain a lot of insight by

working with foreign partners and allies.

Today we're talking about cybersecurity challenges for the United States and the best response

for the U.S. government and for governments around the world.

First of, can you simply talk about the cybersecurity threat landscape today?

When you enter the Biden administration,

what did it look like, and how did it change during your time in government?

Thanks, Dan. It's great to be with you, and I'm a longtime listener, but first time caller

for the Lawfare podcast series. And so it's great to be able to be back with the law for community. I was

involved with it before I went back into government in 2019 and I've been a big fan for a long time.

When I look at the threat landscape, I think the traditional way folks work through this is,

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