Lawfare Daily: Ideological Exclusions and Deportations with Julia Rose Kraut

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🗓️ 24 April 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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On today’s episode, Julia Rose Kraut, author of the book “Threat of Dissent: A History of Ideological Exclusion and Deportation in the United States,” joins Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien to talk about that book, originally published in 2020, and how it can help us make sense of the Trump administration’s recent immigration and deportation policies.

They discussed how ideological exclusions and deportations present a unique intersection of immigration and First Amendment legal doctrine and precedent, the chilling effect these policies have on constitutionally protected political speech, and the recent case of Columbia University graduate student Mahmoud Khalil.

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1:05.4	This is consistent in the history of ideological exclusion and deportation.
1:10.4	We see this again and again and again
1:13.0	in terms of the use of discretion, as well as those who are pushing for more deportations
1:19.9	and exclusions and those who are seeking to be a bit more careful and nuanced.
1:25.6	It's the Lawfare Podcast.
1:33.2	I'm Tyler McBrion, managing editor of lawfare, with Julia Rose Crout, author of the book,
1:39.1	Threat of Descent, a history of ideological exclusion and deportation in the United States.
1:50.3	Well, it's very important to note that, well, we have a long history of the use of ideological exclusion, deportation in the United States.
1:59.0	As tools of political repression, we also have a long history of the challenges to ideological exclusions and deportations.
2:04.5	Today, we're talking about Julia's book, which was originally published in 2020,
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