Hi, this is Gay Hendricks. I want to ask you to do something very special for us, which is pay attention

carefully to this edition of the Big League podcast, because we're talking about something that could

really change your life. And that is how to make the most of masterminds,

masterminds being connections of people that make the whole operation bigger than it

could have been on its own.

So join us for this.

I think you'll find it extremely special and liberating.

Yeah, and one of the things that we're going to talk about specifically inside of the mastermind context is I just came off of a big one with a bunch of people.

So I'm going to share, first of all, exactly what they are, especially the newer version of masterminds, and how great ones are run so you can get the maximum out of it

and also how to change your thinking along the way and open yourself up to huge big leaps.

So all that is in this episode. So we'll see you in the inside. Hi, everybody and welcome to the Big Leap podcast. I'm your host, Gay Hendrix, along with my

co-host and fellow genius seeker in the world, Mike Kainig, how are you doing today, Mike?

Another great day, perfect day in paradise, and I just got back from something super

exciting that I know we're going to be talking about today.

Yeah, well, I'm really excited today because there's a lot of people these days that are in

masterminds or want to learn more about how to optimize a mastermind that they're

running. And you have got some really fresh information because you just came back from a big

excursion where you led a group that was part mastermind and part fishing trip. And so one of your groups of

business owners. So I want to find out, I want to kind of get into learning mode here for a moment.

And going back to the very beginning, what was the first mastermind you ever heard of or got

involved in? The first one I ever heard of was a person

who had studied Napoleon Hills, think and grow rich work, and it kind of made his life out of

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