All right, you guys. This is going to be a long run episode of me and the Trail therapist.

Her name is Jenna Burris. She's from up by the Sheboygan area, and she's a trail runner and a therapist who came up with the idea kind of to do some therapy sessions with people outside on trails.

I heard about them from our friend Sandra Wimmer, for those of you that are into drinking intoxicants, if you want to play a drinking game on this show every time when we say Sandra Wimmer do a shot

You probably won't make it to the end good drinking game idea anyway the trail therapist, really nice conversation. We talk

about therapy in general, the path to being a therapist, what's like being a therapist,

you know, changes in people and therapy over the years. Lots of interesting and insightful discussions and I really enjoy talking

her. She's also going to be at the Badger doing the 100K and she's been

involved with the band of runners people. I have a link on the page to

her page if you want to learn more learn about therapy have online therapy with

her life coaching just a really nice lady and I think you're really going to like this discussion and it came at a good time for me because that kind of leads me to the reason why we didn't have a show last week. I had a bad diagnosis with my knee, you know, I've been having trouble, my MRI came back, it's not good. There's a lot of options. Most of them are bad.

It's not something minor. It's something that's complicated and it's going to take a lot.

So I took a week off and just to say, and it's going to take a lot.

So I took a week off and just decided I want to digest what,

you know, maybe what life might be like without running

or, you know, what it's going to be like to not have it in my life

for a long time.

So I apologize for that. I know I'm pretty

consistent to those of you that have been around forever. I'm going to try to get back on our

regularly scheduled programming and the one thing that I did think about is that I can still be part of the community and do things for the community through the podcast and through racetracking.

So I definitely don't want to stop doing that in that regard.

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