The way I described it to someone is it's like I'm breathing out all the time without breathing in.

It's like I'm...

But there's no inhalation to give me new energy. Hi and welcome to episode 246 of Art Jesus's honest, generous, humorous conversations to feed your creative soul and get you thinking.

With me, Louise Fletcher.

And me Alice Sheridan.

And today our topic is kind of a follow-on from last week's topic, which we got a lot of nice comments about, which was about keeping up.

And today there's something I want to talk about, which is about making space.

So it's a little bit different but also kind of the same thing.

So but first what have you been up to this week Alice?

I had a nice week it was away at a wedding which was lovely. It's always nice to get away isn't it?

And I have had more studio time.

So lots of interesting realizations there.

Maybe it will come into our discussion, but around the idea of those moments where you do lose track of time and how much we can plan our work and just

noticing where to

to doing what you do on autopilot and where to look for the space

for something that's new and giving that time to breathe

and just time to solidify a little bit.

And then I'm still kind of in the middle of planning for barley.

We go on Monday, we're recording on Thursday, we haven't decided where we're going to stay yet.

Who's we? We we much to my dad's amusement is a friend who I've known online for a very long time but I had never met in person until we met at this wedding on Sunday.

So we agreed to go together without having ever actually met.

So this could either be fantastic or it could crash and burn in flames.

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