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Death, Sex & Money

Manhood: It’s Complicated

Death, Sex & Money

Slate Podcasts

Business, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Careers, Relationships, Sexuality

4.67.6K Ratings

🗓️ 18 February 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Six and a half years ago, in the wake of the #MeToo movement, we asked our listeners how they think about manhood–how to be, what’s hard, where they feel lost. Fast forward to 2025, and the norms and trends around manhood are even more varied and complicated. So we thought it would be a good time to revisit the stories from 2018 and provide updates on some of the men we heard from. If you are a man, or are raising a man, or love a man, and want to share more about what you’re noticing about mixed signals about manhood and masculinity today and where you get stuck, record a voice memo and send it to us at [email protected].  Death, Sex & Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, Slate Plus! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at slate.com/dsmplus. And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on Instagram and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is [email protected].  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm reading the short story collection rejection by Tony Tula Tamudi.

0:04.9

The first story is called The Feminist, and it follows a young straight man as he tries to figure out how to attract the affections of women who keep relegating him to the friend zone.

0:17.3

He tries aligning with them.

0:19.4

He parrots back what he learns in his gender studies classes to them. He eyes the men with wider shoulders with resentment. He feels stuck. He doesn't seem to know how to cut between what women say they want from men and what they actually go for. He doesn't know how to be.

0:41.9

I also read Ruth Whitman's book Boyhood last fall,

0:46.2

which is all about how she doesn't know how to be a parent of three boys.

0:49.5

How do you push them and long for them to thrive and also teach them how to make room for everybody else?

0:53.5

There's not obviously one answer.

0:56.2

And it's confusing because all the things we want from men can curdle into something we don't.

1:03.0

Like confidence can become arrogance.

1:06.0

Tenderness can be seen as weakness.

1:09.0

Americans are confused about manhood.

1:11.8

The Pew Center just recently asked how our culture views masculine or manly men,

1:16.8

and a quarter of Americans said people view them negatively.

1:20.7

40% said we view them positively,

1:23.7

and a third that neither positive nor negative.

1:27.0

We're pretty split. More men thought Americans viewed manly men negatively. More women thought they viewed manly men positively. Six and a half years ago, we asked our listeners how they think about manhood, how to be, what's hard, where they feel lost. It was during the first Trump presidency.

1:46.8

And we're sharing that episode with you again because it seems to be something we've been

1:51.0

scratching at over the last few months. Like Helena Rain and I talked about baby girl and

1:56.6

its fantasy of a dominating young man. Gary Goldman told me about the scars of bullying from other

2:02.7

men. We heard from male caregivers about the deep, tender work of being someone's primary

2:08.9

carer and its costs. So it felt right to share again what we heard from a bunch of you, our

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