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Cornelius Plantinga joins us today. He is Senior Research Fellow at Calvin Institute of Christian Worship and President

Emeritus of Calvin Theological Seminary. His books include engaging God's world and reading for preaching,

plus his new book, Under the Wings of God, 20 biblical reflections for a faith, for a deeper faith.

That is our topic today. Welcome, Dr. Plantinga.

Thank you, Mark. Just call me Neil, if you will.

Okay, okay, okay. You state that your main goal is to support and guide close and careful reading of Scripture,

to overcome, as you call it, superficial practices.

Is this an especially acute problem that you've seen in the last few years?

Maybe among students or young Christians in general?

I think a superficial reading of scripture has been a problem forever.

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