The 0.8 grams per kilogram protein recommendation from the RDA, which is kind of a minimum amount that you need just to not, you know, what 96% of the population needs to, because they use two orders on top of what they felt would be deficient, two orders of magnitude.

So a 0.8 is not optimal for performance. And so you go to the researchers.

You look at, again, Stu Phillips has done some of the, you know, some of the major work in this area.

And he recommends at minimum of 1.2 grams per kilogram. And he's said more recently that anything north of

1.6 grams per kilogram even for

bodybuilders probably isn't going to be give you any more muscle benefit that's not to say you

couldn't eat more protein there might be some other benefits satiety be the primary one but

in terms of stimulating MPS as you mentioned the Lucine lusine threshold, I mean, once you get two

and a half grams of lusine, you're, you know, you've sufficiently stimulated muscle protein

synthesis, five grams isn't going to do any better.

Yeah, yeah.

And that's kind of the same thought with protein.

What if you're enhanced, though?

Well, that's interesting, yeah. But I would argue that you'd probably need less protein if you're enhanced though? Well, that's interesting. Yeah, but I would argue that you'd

probably need less protein if you're enhanced because you become more efficient. The thing I always find

interesting though is you become more efficient so people use it as a justification to eat the same

amount as a natural despite having a higher rate potential of assimilation. So it's like, do I want to

get the same amount as a natural,

even though I'm like literally taking drugs and push carbs more?

Or what would your approach generally be?

Well, now if you're in a calorie surplus and pushing carbs more,

now that's protein sparing.

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