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Hi, this is Dana Stevens, Slate's movie critic, here with a Slate. Spoiler special podcast on the unknown, known, the new Errol Morris documentary about Donald Rumsfeld.

And calling in from the Slate DC studio to talk about it with me is Dave Weigel. Hi, Dave.

Hi, Dana.

You are a political blogger for Slate and political reporter and movie critic at times.

And podcaster, too, which I learned from watching you, as they used to say, in the old 70s.

That's right.

Do you want to plug your podcast here?

You just started one.

I also have a podcast called Wyclecast, but I saw this movie sort of expecting to talk more about how it was made and why it exists.

And I think you also talked to

Errol Morris for background on how Donald Rumsfeld managed, or how he got Donald Rumsfeld

to do what had Robert McNamara had done to great, I think, permanent damage to his reputation.

Right, but great acclaim for Errol Morris's reputation.

That was an Oscar-winning documentary, the Fog of War, which came out.

What year was it? 2004, I think.

Fog of War came out.

2003, and he won the Oscar in 2004, and Errol Morris from the stage of the Academy Awards,

talked about going down the rabbit hole in Iraq, just like we did in Vietnam. So it's kind of amazing that question to ask about the unknown known. It's sort of, it's the question that seems to be

dividing critics on this movie. Personally, I really liked it. I thought it was great. But I think

people are finding it unsatisfying because it's not the fog of war. It's almost identical in

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