Hey, everyone, it's Andrew Claven with this week's interview with R.R. Reno. I do not subscribe to many journals three. I subscribe

to three, but one of them is first things, and it is probably one of the best collections of

writing in the country. It contains incredibly thoughtful writing by some of my favorite

writers like Carl Truman and Mary Harrington and Erica Bakiyoki and the tremendous and undervalued Angela Franks who really writes some brilliant

stuff. R.R. Reno is the editor and executive editor of First Things, and he is also the author

of many books, one of them, The Return of the Strong Gods, Nationalism, Populism, and the Future

of the West. I finished

just a couple of days ago. This book came out in 2019 and kind of went under the radar, but now

suddenly people have discovered how prophetic and insightful it is. So I'm happy to have our

arena with us. Rusty, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it.

Pleasure to be with you. By the way, I agree about Angela Franks. She is a great

expositor and not just expositor, but she can frame theologically the whole postmodern canon.

And she's done a series of essays for us.

We've got a final one that will come out in a couple of months on Althusir.

And I just think it's so valuable, because I think it helps inoculate the rising generation against a kind of naive hero worship for these characters.

Yes.

And while still not helping them understand, well, what is it, what were these projects really all about?

So I think she's great. Thank you for condemning her.

Well, what I love about her, she takes them seriously, which is the cruelest thing you could possibly do.

It's just devastating. So this book, this book did kind of get ignored when it first came out, right?

But now suddenly everybody's talking about. By two factors. I think one is the pandemic,

which kind of eclipse so much. And then secondly, I think a lot of, a lot of people,

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