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Hello, I'm Bruce Daisley.

We're into end of year season.

I love this time of year.

What are your favourite records, favorite films, favorite shows?

And the best part of that time of year is that I think the lists help you discover the things that passed you by while they were happening and today's guest is part of that process so Michael Morrissey's book Tribal is shortlisted

for the Financial Times book of the year it covers the idea of tribes or groups with a tight

cohesion running through them Michael says that the things that

hold tribes, that hold groups together, are their codes, sometimes peer codes between members,

you know, what are the things we do around here, sometimes hero codes, who has the clout inside

a culture, who are the people who are celebrated

and finally ancestor codes the things in an organization's past that are held up as traditions

that are worth preserving so that that might be people that might be behaviors I enjoyed the

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