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Code Switch

What's lost in Trump's DEI ban?

Code Switch

NPR

Society & Culture

4.6 β€’ 14.5K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 2 April 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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President Trump has put diversity, equity, and inclusion in his crosshairs β€” but there's no consensus on what DEI even means. Some say that that fuzziness is the point, and that the current anti-DEI push is part of a larger plan to undo the gains made by the Civil Rights Movement.

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You're listening to Code Switch?

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I'm Gene Demby.

0:20.4

So imagine with me for a second that you work for the federal government.

0:28.6

Okay, so it's like not the sexiest most fantastical thing to imagine, but stay with me.

0:32.4

So you work for the government and you work in one of those alphabet agencies that people outside of the government don't

0:37.6

really see or understand, like some division within the Department of Labor or, I'm sorry, DOL,

0:43.8

and you're at your job, you know, in some big, brutalist building in Washington, D.C.

0:49.3

It's late January and just two days after President Trump's inauguration.

0:53.8

And while your job has been

0:54.9

mostly really safe, the new administration is promising that they're going to slash jobs and

1:00.2

radically reimagine big swaths of the federal government. And on his first day in the White

1:05.3

House, Trump issued this sweeping executive order that eliminated any diversity, equity,

1:10.4

and inclusion programs

1:11.4

in the federal government.

1:12.9

And you would hear rumblings and speculation about this, and then you get this pin.

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Dear colleagues, we are taking steps to close all agency, D-E-I-A offices, and end all D-E-I-A-related

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