Here's the question. The question for everyone here. So Neil and I are talking about,

hey, how to grow a podcast, why you should start a podcast in 2025? The question, the million

dollar question is, will podcasting drive you more customers? A podcast like this, I don't

think it'll drive you customers in quantity or enough for the time and effort and cost if you actually put a cost

on our hourly time. I think if you have a very specific podcast, yes. Because doing a podcast

on something like marketing, most of the audience is going to be people who are looking for

information. And the way you monetize is, yes,

every once in a while, you'll get some revenue from it from a customer. But the real revenue

driver is advertising revenue. I'm assuming you agree with that. You know, I was actually

pleasantly surprised when I look at the leads, because we have ads for your agency, for

carrot. Like we rotate a couple of things for this podcast, right? And I look at the leads.

And I was pleasantly surprised to see a lot of YouTube and a lot of podcasts.

And a couple of enterprise companies for Carrot, it's from this podcast.

And then when I talk to them, it's like they know me.

I'm like, they're like kind of shell shock that I'm on the sales call.

And they're like, hey, thank you so much, man. You taught me marketing, blah, blah. And they're like, they're like, director of demand gens at these companies that

have raised, like, you know, either a lot of money or they have like thousands and thousands

of employees. Yeah. So I've been, I would have answered like you a couple months ago, but I'm

pleasantly surprised. So our sales teams ask people, we get people saying they listen to the podcast, but

it's typically not directly attributed for them coming to the podcast. And they've learned about

a point before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What we find is, and the people who come through the podcast,

because we've gone a few customers over the years. They're typically not

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