Hi, I'm Jonathan Lehman.

I'm Mark Debra.

And welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

Nine Marks exist to equip church leaders of a biblical vision and practical resources for building healthy churches.

Learn more at nine marks.org.

Okay. at 9Mark's.org. I love that phrase you keep using biblical vision.

Okay.

That's a great phrase.

It's part of our mission statement.

Biblical vision.

And practical resources.

We want both.

We want the vision and the resources that's what

we try to supply oh i think of that biblical vision god gave to john in john in revelation chapter 7

verse 9 after this i looked at behold a great multitude that no one could number from every nation

from all tribes and peoples and languages standing before the throne

and before the lamb clothed in white robes with palm branches in their hands and crying out with a loud

voice, salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne and to the lamb. What a wonderful

biblical vision. Amen. And that's precisely what we want to talk about now is some of that.

I thought we already talked about that. You mean, right? Yeah, that's it. I thought we already talked

about that. Well, this is part two. It's a big topic. Tough topic. Okay. So we need to have more

than one conversation about this. Oh, that's the thing. I think we're trying to encourage others.

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