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The following discussion is for educational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose or treat

any disease. Please do not apply any of this information

without first speaking with your doctor. Now, let's head to the show. Hey everyone. Today I speak with

Dr. Leonard Weinstock, who is someone I really have a lot of respect for. He's been on the podcast

before. He is a conventional gastroenterologist, but he also

has published and continues to publish really valuable and insightful clinical research.

So we had a great conversation today, and we talked about a number of things, one of which

was this long COVID. And we definitely had a,, at times contentious and challenging, but I think

overall very beneficial back and forth. And most of the back and forth centered around how we

look at this and how we frame this. And what was helpful to see is even though Lenny is doing

an impressive job of documenting how mass cell activation may

underlie some of the long-haul COVID, when we analyze further and kind of unpack down to,

well, what do we do about that?

We're left with a very similar set of tools that we've discussed on the podcast

and have been discussing on the podcast and healthy, good, healthy you for years now.

You know, perhaps some nuances, but one of the things and one of the main reasons why

there was some contention here is I've become progressively sensitive to how important it is to contextualize this for people.

Because if we don't, people can go to the worst case scenario and think that, well, there's either a miracle drug for MCAS, and if I get the miracle

drug, I'll feel better. And if not, I have no agency and no empowerment toward improving

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